The -- under the table money, you know, payroll tax scams are prosecuted all the time. and, so, mr. weisselberg in this sort of unusual circumstance of this case could be prosecuted both as someone who received a benefit but also as someone who set up the benefits and caused others to receive this type of under the table benefit type of income. >> so you raise such an important point about allen weisselberg being the person who would be arranging these benefits, both for himself and others. and donald trump, who doesn't leave written records of his communication with someone like allen weissel...