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Addition. so i think that part of this. we have a three-person race with bernie and with elizabeth warren. and with joe biden, increasingly it's looking like a two-person, potentially two-person race. and she's run a good campaign. she's made some mistakes along the way. she has generally run a good campaign. she's got a good field organization. i think she's the person to watch right now and take -- how is she going to handle joe biden? she has been quite clever in not getting herself too hooked into the progressive position of saying medicare for all, the bernie plan. she has been very hesit...

Employment. >> if you construct a plan and it's beautifully detailed and just a beautiful thing to provide universal health care, and somehow that gets framed as you're taking stuff away from people, then you're not going to get to do it, right? that's not going to happen. if that's what you're going to do, you're going to have to explain to people why it's such a wonderful thing, why you're giving them, why they're getting more and better if you're going to make it happen. and, you know, from what i've seen of the sanders/warren plans, i just don't think they actually did a very good job of m...

>> i don't know. >> is there an idealogical difference between you and bernie, for example? is there an idealogical difference? >> i think on some of these issues, there are. i'm for government doing positive things, too, but you can't take someone's private insurance away from them. as i explained, they're union members who negotiated the contracts who said, we're not going to take some of these wages but we're going to pay for health care. >> someone follows the law or you go to jail, right? you pay it for 50 years, and if you live longer than that, you get it for coverage. the bernie plan, ...

Union. we'll have a much better plan run by the federal government. >> so if you construct a plan, and it's beautifully detailed and as it could be. and just a beautiful thing. to provide universal healthcare. and somehow that gets framed as your taking stuff from people. you're not going to get to do it. that's not going to happen. if that's what you're going to do, you have to explain to people why it's such a wonderful thing. why you're giving them, why they're getting more. and better. if you're going to make it happen. and from what i have seen of the sanders warren plans, i just don't th...

It's a disconnect. >> is there an idealogical difference between you and bernie, for example? is there an idealogical difference? >> i think on some of these issues, there are. i'm for government doing positive things, too, but you can't take someone's private insurance away from them. as i explained, they're union members who negotiated the contracts who said, we're not going to take some of these wages but we're going to pay for health care. >> everyone pays into medicare. >> someone follows the law or you go to jail, right? you pay it for 50 years, and if you live longer than that, you get ...