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>> beth, same question to you. what's your take on that? >> well, he's -- definitely true what jonathan said. he's not really a traditional republican in so many ways. that's what helped him win. but that means that he's taken positions that are going to be at times at odds with the republican leadership in congress. he's very critical of trade agreements, as we know. paul ryan and most of the republican leadership very pro-free trade. his position on immigration is tougher than certainly the republican leadership has been willing to go. but you know, he's representing a lot of rank and file. ...

Senate. he'll have unanimous support among republicans, and i think at least some of his democratic colleagues will come across. they don't necessarily need to because of rule change. democrats made in 2013, they are not able to filibuster the cabinet nominees. >> jonathan, you said he might be getting the democratic support, as well. how do you envision the republicans and democrats actually siding for him, and is it going to matter for him when they vote? >> we've already heard joe manchin, senator from west virginia, say he's going to cross the aisle to support sessions. susan collins, perh...

They met on thursday are. you surprised? and does that indicate that she expects no role in a trump administration? >> you know, she's been a critic of trump's for quite some time. she's a rising star in the republican party, definitely a republican, republican party, not so much the more populist route that trump has taken. and she wants a future for herself. she wants a future in that party. she's indicated that people of other backgrounds, other races, need to be welcomed in to the republican party. i think she's setting up a warning signal for that. i mean, face it, she's -- she's still so...

Joining me, nbc come msnbc senior editor beth filly, and author of hrc, jonathan allen. great to have you both this morning. >> good morning. >> good morning. >> beth, first, the trump-romney meeting, any indication that this is something more than a courtesy call to a political rival, or might romney get serious consideration for secretary of state? >> our reporting through nbc news definitely indicates that he is a contender for secretary of state. that's obviously huge news. what we've seen so far out of donald trump is that his appointments have gone primarily to people who were extremely ...