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Don't you think? i think looks has a lot to do with it he has got a lot of things talk about. $16 trillion in debt. do you know how much that is, bill? >> bill: 16 trillion. >> 16 trillion, that's more zeros than they have hosts on msnbc. do you know what i'm saying? >> bill: ill think i do. >> mitt romney is a guy that i think we can get behind. is he a strong man, is he a good leader. the same on the vice president side of things. >> bill: when, walter, you watch the debate the other day. >> yes. >> bill: and you saw the president not being in command. what did you think? >> i thought to mys...

>> bill: personal story segment tonight, as you may know, bicycle guy lance armstrong who won seven tour de france titles stripped of them because he was taking performance enhancing drugs during the races. for years armstrong denied that but the evidence against him is now overwhelming. joining us from boston, torres who won 12 olympic medals in swimming and eric mara bemplet ella so, aaron, were you surprised about lance armstrong? >> no, i wasn't. for years i had suspected that he and other athletes were doping, as a clean athlete it was frustrating to watch their super human performances a...

And. >> bill: he gave up -- he is not going to do that. >> exactly. or he knees to apologize. i -- he needs to apologize. everyone wants him to apologize and come clean. >> bill: is that though enough? erin, do you think he should be prosecuted? >> i think more needs to be done. as a clean athlete, it really makes me mad that people cheated because, for years, i knew i wasn't competing on a fair playing field. >> i think it's fraud. it's fraud. >> it is. >> whether it's civil or criminal i think that label has to be wrapped around this guy and others. thanks very much forever your discussion. ...

Mentioned where they come find you at any time. >> what do you think, dara, morally about this kind of cheating? because we know it happened in baseball. we know it happened in football. now we know it happened in cycling. what do you think morally about a guy who cheats? lance armstrong last year made 15, 1-$5 million in endorsements. what do you think about that cheating? >> well, first of all, we do have to think about what he has done good, which is for cancer and for live strong. so you think about that and that's great. but, on the other side of it, i'm a huge advocate of clean athletes ...

November 6th. we hope november 7th whether the strategy was right. the last debate on foreign policy, that's always tricky for republicans. especially after george w. bush and two wars that remain unpopular. he you would argue would have to play safe. >> bill: i wouldn't argue that. >> i didn't either. >> bill: i'm a daring guy. i'm going for the gold here. i think he could have knocked president obama out in the third debate. >> i think he could have looked at him and said sir, just answer some these simple questions and let's find out really what happened. >> bill: he could have done it just...