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>> obviously, if people thought what julian castro said was a low blow, i mean, it is just a taste of what, if there was those two on the stage, biden and trump, there is going to be a lot worse than that. >> yeah. there is a couple of different things going on in that castro/biden exchange. they seem to be talking past each other. one is the question of the fact that he won't say that he was in fact taking a shot at biden's age, which is hard to believe. it's pretty universal appearance of that from everyone watching. then the question of his reaction and the reaction of sort of how dare you,...

>> obviously if people thought what julian castro said was a low blow, i mean it is just a taste of what, if there was those two on the stage, biden and trump -- there's going to be a lot worse than that. >> yeah. there's a couple different things going on in that castro-biden exchange. one is they seem to be on substance talking past each other. one is the question of the fact he won't say he was in fact taking a shot at biden's age, which is hard to believe since it's pretty universal appearance of that from everyone watching. but then there's the question of his reaction and the reaction of...

Frustration just with the ninety circuit court or courts they feel are the only ones holding the president back from getting these changes he wants. >> even if they delay in court what they get is the political play. >> which is exactly what they got with the i.c.e. raids. the president was tweeting hundreds of thousands of people were going to be deported and then of course i.c.e. confirmed only 35 people were deported because of those raids. but it's the messaging we see that works with the. >> and i think what he's hoping is the democrat wills try to outdo each other on who can be the most ...

Now. but he's right. he's the one everybody is talking about. i also appreciate and that he and j. mart coordinated their polo shirts. he is in that role going to be the one that should be attacked. you could say we shouldn't have a food fight. this is the reality. people have to differentiate themselves, whether it's a big field or small field. they're going to do that. when he's the top guy, he's the one taking the hits. >> i totally agree. but if you want to stay in that front-runner position and be above the fray, you have to look that way even when you're surrounded by other candidates. t...