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National debate about joe biden. >> the paradox of biden's campaign is he ran on two very different things. one healing the country, and we're stilling waiting for normalcy and a really comprehensive and expansive policy agenda that placated the left that was never a big fan of his, and obviously he's trying to get the latter done. hasn't done it yet, and that's creating challenges, but it's the former that's creating i think bigger problems with independent voters. >> with independent voters. >> amy had a big column on as well, they want life to be back to normal. thought it would be that way...