Was very complicated. we knew we weren't going to leave carillo behind. that was never really in discussion, but at the same time, it was very difficult to ensure our success. i knew we would get there eventually, but we were close to getting them out pretty much everyday for the last three or four weeks. >> wow, and you just didn't know, until now, until these past hours? >> we, you know, kept chipping away at the ice -- >> sorry, go ahead -- >> yeah, we kept chipping away at the iceberg and kept on trucking and i knew, you know, it's like undoing a ball of yarn like a big knot, just a matter...