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Russia, it's all one big mafia family, if you will. >> what's interesting about this american arm they gave publicly hundreds of thousands of dollars to the inauguration, to the reason at one point. they were spreading around publicly. the idea this was also done on a more private track is also interesting. the payment wouldn't be, ann, just of interest to mueller's investigation, it would also be of interest to the prosecutors in the southern district. >> yeah, absolutely. i think it's of interest on both sides. for mueller's team, there is this connection to russia and questions about, what ...

Personal lawyer wants him to do. there are a lot of counterintelligence questions remain to be worked on. and i think mueller's team is probably doing just that right now. >> steve, you discount the american affiliate of this russian company is independent of it. what makes you discount that out of hand? >> well, this -- this is something that the russians are expert at doing, which is taking quaint western and specifically american views about law and order, rule of law, how companies work, corporate responsibility, you know, anything that's connected to vekselberg, again, a $13 billion, you ...