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Trump's personal lawyer potentially, someone who would be a great access agent to provide information back to the russians or an agent of influence to try to get the president to do what his personal lawyer wants him to do. there are a lot of counterintelligence questions remain to be worked on. i suspect mueller's team is doing that right now. >> steve, you discount the american affiliate of this russian company is independent of it. what makes you discount that out of hand? >> well, this -- this is something that the russians are expert at doing, which is taking quaint western and specifical...

Personal lawyer wants him to do. there are a lot of counterintelligence questions remain to be worked on. and i think mueller's team is probably doing just that right now. >> steve, you discount the american affiliate of this russian company is independent of it. what makes you discount that out of hand? >> well, this -- this is something that the russians are expert at doing, which is taking quaint western and specifically american views about law and order, rule of law, how companies work, corporate responsibility, you know, anything that's connected to vekselberg, again, a $13 billion, you ...