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Gut-wrenching manner the ukrainians whose lives are in jeopardy because that nation wasn't getting the military aid. he described the privilege that he saw on the other side where the russian-backed soldiers who were there posing a threat to the ukrainians. and i think that's something that people are wrestling with now on the hill. it's not just politics. >> i don't know much but he doesn't look like a radical. >> no. and he's also someone who was appointed to that position, asked to take that position by secretary of state mike pompeo, who is arguably the president's most loyal cabinet membe...

Tire time, outlined this quid pro quo, outlined his conversations with the state department, had shared his concerns with the parallel foreign policy being run by rudy giuliani. but it also put a human face on this. this isn't just politics. he detailed in a sort of gut-wrenching manner the ukrainians whose lives are in jeopardy because the nation wasn't getting the military aid. he described the bridge that he saw on the other side were the russian-backed soldiers who were there posing a threat to the ukrainians. and i think that's something people are wrestling with on the hill now. it's not...

At the same time. all that together creates a more unpredictable and more uncertain world. in uncertain time, we need strong national institutions to address those. >> thank you so much for your time. we appreciate it. >> thanks so much. and my thanks to n.a.t.o. secretary general for that conversation. coming up next here. >> leads down to five. >> lead in maine. >> we got momentum. we got the big mo. >> bradley whitford has some momentum of his own after a recent emmy win in the premiere of a new comedy. i will speak to him about the march to impeachment and the west wing 20 years after it...

Continues to defy gravity. and the national polls, democrats who say who is the most electable, who do i want to vote for, it's him, but these early states matter. remember what george w. bush said, you have to have the big mo. sthat means the big momentum. you can write off the early states a little bit now. there is some reality to that because were always doing national campaigns, but iowa and new hampshire areit still first and if biden is not going to win iowa, i noted this, the last four democratic nominees have won l iowa. it was gore, believe it or not -- i had to look that one up. car...

When it comes to the issue of foreign policy that, hey, and it's an interesting contrast you seem to make. a committee hearing, being in congress isn't the same as having actually served in a war zone and that gives you a lot of -- a lot of hope with buttigieg. but how does he stand out tonight, when tonight when he's had some struggles lately of sort of getting that national mojo back? >> chuck, you want to talk about mojo, look at what the finance reports show. he's number one of all 24 candidates. number one showing the big mo going into the debate tonight. >> what matters more, money or su...