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Require. in other words, if it passes on tuesday, as is expected, it's headed directly to the supreme court. can you bet if it's successful we will see it on the ballot on a number of other states, too. i wanted to talk to you, peter, because it's something you have written a lot about. let's go to the absolute sort of base -- get right to the nub of the issue, which is how do you understand personhood. the radical thing being proposed is that four cells constituted a person. do you think that's right? if not, what is your sort of counter proposal for what constitutes personhood. >> it's not r...

When we can't even comply with what is on the books. so by pushing more regulations, i think in some ways is causing more problems. >> but this is also part of the problem with austerity politics, in that they starve the system and make the system ineffective, and then use it as an argument as to why systemic answers are not possible. you are arguing saying regulations are not the problem, but the enforcement is the problem, so is what we need is a beefed up epa? >> you need some regulation, and i am not proposing taking it all off the tanl, but if it begins to be too much, we are not even dea...

Issue, just as gay marriage was for jornl bush in 2004. these could be really, really important players. >> you think we're going to see -- you think success on tuesday, augers that this will be replicated in more states despite the fact that parts of the main line, pro life movement are -- >> they've already started. they've passed already the first hurdle for getting it on the ohio ballot. they don't really -- they kind of know that they're not going to be successful on it in these places but they see it as a movement building exercise even if it's doomed to failure. michael, the business ...

Begins is rather more extreme than mine. >> well, that's a different question as to whether or not it should be taken out of the hands of the legislators. >> well, it's not. weather not -- again, i go back to the analogy of donating a kidney. whether or not a certain class of person should be forced to donate kidneys is not something we put up to a vote. we have bedrock rights that are not put up to a vote, and why would this be different. >> i think the court goes too far in trying to invent a right to privacy in the constitution that doesn't exist, and i think the example you gave could be p...

And the other main spokes people for the yes on 26 movement in mississippi, is an obgyn talking about it. >> science confirms a person is a human being at the moment of fertilization. at that moment we are fully human and fully alive. it's a moral issue because it doesn't matter if you come from a family that is rich or poor, black or white, or even if your father was a rapist. >> this is -- dr. freda busch is a perfect spokesperson for this. >> this is a culmination on the movement to point abortion as black genocide. kind of using some of the genuinely hideous things that margaret sanger sai...