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Let's take a closer look at the battles raging on the ground in ukraine. joining me now is the director of the international security program and the direct air of the transnational brett seth jones. also the author of three dangerous men. russia, china, iran and the rise of regular warfare. seth, welcome. the focus on the airbase, we had talked today about the international center, yavoriv. >> when you look at the russian forest disposition right now we see them coming in from the russian border and out from crimea. we don't see them walking this big open area. we have seen weapons pouring ac...

This is a church now. >> yeah. >> 12 years ago you and i did a lot of praying in there ourselves but it wasn't a church. >> it was the obama headquarters in iowa for almost a year. it's kind of emotional a little bit seeing it. it was a special place. oh. >> holy spokes. >> i know. this has changed. >> they have classed up the place. >> absolutely. this was all open. and there were wires hanging offer off the ceiling. >> i remember. >> you know, and, you know i think maybe once a month we vacuumed. >> and lots of people coming through. >> absolutely. great energy. >> so where were you in here ...

>> steve: with what happened last monday, backpack bombs, this is one of your biggest fears, isn't it? >> true. we're concerned about that. this is something that's very, very difficult to stop. >> steve: every third person on the street has a backpack. >> it seems that way, right. it's an issue, certainly at major events. certain events where it's a limited space, you can check backpacks. on new year's eve, we do that in a very controlled environment. but in a marathon, we have 26 miles. >> brian: it's impossible, isn't it? >> steve: everybody has one. >> brian: but you can secure the finish ...