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department, what you send to be archived, it strikes me as just on its face not the right way to do business. >> i don't think it has anything to do with being archived, those do with -- the state department is a big pure bureaucracy, seen many time there is are rumps in the state department that don't think the secretary matters, that the secretary will be there, will come and go and they should keep doing what they are doing. we see it sometimes in iranian policy. we saw the resignation of i think ten midlevel state department people in the -- when the bush iraq war was going on and when torture was being employed. i understand why she did this. i don't think it's illegal. i have never heard a case it was illegal. joe makes a case there were regulations. first i've heard of t i am going to defend hillary clinton on this. have to be able to do business. sometime you have to circumvent the bureaucracy. all talking about this for ten days. >> that session actually the point. been talking about this for ten days. ridiculous. >> walking in here and saying -- >> pretending nothing ever -- come on, howard. >> pretending you never seen or

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