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It would give them a basis to have their questions. in fact, the republicans were pretty brutal with anita hill in using them to cross-examine her because she said things in the hearings that she had not told the fbi. and they tried to make that out as she was lying because she hadn't told the fbi. that didn't work very well as cross-examination, but it was certainly an effort. >> if the president refuses to go to the fbi, how big a stain is this on him? >> well, i think the women of america have not built a lot of affection up for him in the way he's handled himself in general. this will be a...

Senate? >> well, it would be the record that they would prepare, the 302s would then be made available to the senate. it would give them a basis to have their questions. in fact, the republicans were pretty brutal with anita hill in using them to cross-examine her because she said things in the hearings that she had not told the fbi. and they tried to make that out as she was lying because she hadn't told the fbi. that didn't work very well as cross-examination, but it was certainly an effort. >> if the president refuses to go to the fbi, how big a stain is this on him? >> well, i think the wo...

Employs torture. that's not who we are. that's not who we want to be. and her confirmation will be a test really of who we are as americans. do we condone this? if so, what makes that different, what makes us different from authoritarian dictatorships that pull out people's fingernails? >> you call this a blemish? how big a stain is it on the agency? you look at somebody like her at her stage in her career, how widely does that be affect the cia personnel when you look at it on a whole? >> this was 15 years ago and the cia trends young these days. that's how long it takes to train up to be a c...