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That note so what is the answer for deterring that? >> what was that? >> what's the answer to deterring that, for that not happening? >> three answers. one is the way biden has reacted to this calmly. no nuclear talks in return. we're not seeing any replay of the donald trump, kim jong-un, who has the bigger button, fire and destruction. that's one. number two, you could do more. nato and biden should say that nato and the u.s. have no attention to these nuclear weapons first. nobody should ever use a nuclear weapon first. press putin to make that pledge and three, intensify diplomatic efforts...

Previous presidents have done. kim jong-un knows one thing. if he tries to do it, he'll find himself on the receiving end of that bigger button donald trump talked about. that's one thing he's got to know. jesse: so far the on thing america has given up. we suspended a military exercise that was planned for the fall. that can get back up there the minute he starts man kig around with little rocketman with these negotiations. we haven't shipped a boatload of cash over there. they haven't brought the sanctions down like they did in iran. they haven't done nip of those things. yet the press is as...

Previous presidents have done. kim jong-un knows one thing. if he tries to do it, he'll find himself on the receiving end of that bigger button donald trump talked about. that's one thing he's got to know. jesse: so far the on thing america has given up. we suspended a military exercise that was planned for the fall. that can get back up there the minute he starts man kig around with little rocketman with these negotiations. we haven't shipped a boatload of cash over there. they haven't brought the sanctions down like they did in iran. they haven't done nip of those things. yet the press is as...

It's not fruitful, i'll walk out. is this some sort of free planned show? >> it's going back to who has the bigger button. this is not exactly a meeting between george walker bush and helmut kole. a lot comes down to personality and a lot comes down to showmanship and fanfare. a lot of the substance, important work is going to be done behind the scenes by sort of at the deputy level and principle level. you saw mike pompeo going to north korea, acting as would-be secretary of state. but on the other hand, the president is getting advice from more hawkish elements like john bolton. they're sayi...

Over who has the bigger button. you really do need to have kind of all hands on deck with expertise. we have a state department that has pretty much been hole he lowed out. >> alone that, on on thursday i thought we would be talking about gary cohn leaving. now we are not. we are talking about north korea. do you hear if changes are more afoot in the west wing? john bolton coming on board to help prep for this north korea thing? >> that is certainly the gossip on the hill right now. everyone is expecting bolton to play a bigger role. everyone is expecting the continued rise of peter navarro. a...