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A conclusion based on the download times that there was no hack and that the material -- the alleged hacked material was downloaded to some kind of a portable drive. >> where are you getting any of that? >> i don't know. that's why i'd like to see a trial. >> where are -- >> the nation magazine in an extensive article based on the findings of bill binney and ray mcgovern. >> these guys have had subpoena power and the complete tools of the united states government. they've been looking at it for months. they detail who did it, how they did it, how they conspired, the different types of malware ...

That the dnc didn't just hack itself, actually what happened was that the dnc was hacked by the intelligence community itself to make donald trump look bad. and what? no, that doesn't make sense, but it's a baroque sort of plot if you think about it, or let it wash over you. also the nsa is working to establish a world government. bill binney. last month he was personally interviewed one-on-one for an hour by the director of the cia, because the director apparently felt that bill binney's theories which he expounded on rt and info wars, he felt he merited attention of head of america's premier...

Assessment that russia was actually behind this, or in this case, asking mike pompeo to meet with bill binney at cia headquarters. that was an implicit signal that donald trump himself believes in this crazy theory. to me the most proximate analogy is if george w. bush asked george tenet, director of national intelligence, to meet with 9/11 truther about the 9/11 attacks. that's same scale as what we've seen. >> barbara mcquade has made the case about cia leader, pointing in worst possible direction in terms of his politicizing intelligence, it's possible he could interfere with law enforcemen...

Binney, a guy who has spun conspiracy theories on russian tv and "info wars", i've seen them in the press and bother me as lay observer. as somebody with cia experience, do those things seem like part of a pattern to you? >> they bother me too. and i can tell you, rachel, i've heard from former colleagues, individuals who are still on the inside that they bother them too. fact of the matter is, ever since the cia was founded in 1947, there's been an understanding that intelligence and politics don't mix. that cia needs space to provide policy makers with unbiased, unvarnished intelligence anal...

This was first record by the intercept and confirmed by nbc news. mike pompeo called him up, asked him to come in to langley at, quote, the urging of president trump. president trump has asked the cia director to take that meeting with bill binney. if only they had intelligence resources or intelligence community they could call on to gather factual evidence about whether russia hacked the dnc. i guess they don't, instead get the guy from rt and "info wars", why not, he probably knows better than anybody. this is a strange story that's broken over the last couple of days but also potentially a...