binney, a guy who has spun conspiracy theories on russian tv and "info wars", i've seen them in the press and bother me as lay observer. as somebody with cia experience, do those things seem like part of a pattern to you? >> they bother me too. and i can tell you, rachel, i've heard from former colleagues, individuals who are still on the inside that they bother them too. fact of the matter is, ever since the cia was founded in 1947, there's been an understanding that intelligence and politics don't mix. that cia needs space to provide policy makers with unbiased, unvarnished intelligence analysis that they need and deserve. that's why it's been so troubling to see president trump, time and again, put his finger on this scale, on the intelligence scale, whether as the republican nominee casting aside the intelligence community's high confidence