to say the least. i want to bring in bill roaden, a columnist for espn s the undefeated . he also has a podcast. always good to have you, my friend. thanks for coming back. hey, coming back. craig, how you doing, man? doing well. yeah, congratulations, man, on the interview with jordan. i thought it was really fantastic and very revealing. oh, thank you, bill. thank you very much. you know, he s the first black principal team owner, as you know, in a sport and that sport this almost half a decade. just heard him say that he knew he was entering the teeth of racism. how does michael jordan change the culture of nascar, or can even michael jordan do that? yeah, well, you know, the great thing about everything he said is that, you know, michael