>> to say the least. i want to bring in bill roaden, a columnist for espn's "the undefeated". he also has a podcast. always good to have you, my friend. thanks for coming back. >> hey, coming back. >> craig, how you doing, man? >> doing well. >> yeah, congratulations, man, on the interview with jordan. i thought it was really fantastic and very revealing. >> oh, thank you, bill. thank you very much. you know, he's the first black principal team owner, as you know, in a sport and that sport this almost half a decade. just heard him say that he knew he was entering the teeth of racism. how does michael jordan change the culture of nascar, or can even michael jordan do that? >> yeah, well, you know, the great thing about everything he said is that, you know, michael