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was nicknamed st disgusting before it was shut down a couple of years after she left. like most kids at her school, gillian left at the age of 16 and went to be an apprentice at a car factory. now, that was a springboard, as we'll hear, for a very successful business career. she went on to become the commercial director at mastercard, chief marketing officer at a big travel firm called travelport. her boss, now, rishi sunak, says a good education is the closest thing we have to a silver bullet when it comes to making people's lives better. gillian keegan, welcome to political thinkin...

and also donald trump all take their campaigning to pennsylvania. and thousands gather in seoul to remember the halloween crush victims — many are demanding the president resign. you are watching bbc news. now, politicalthinking with nick robinson. hello and welcome to political thinking, a conversation with rather than an interrogation of someone who shapes our political thinking about what shapes theirs. in a new cabinet dominated by public schoolboys and oxbridge graduates, the new education secretary stands out. gillian keegan�*s old school, a comprehensive in knowsley called...

Just think, i should say to this lot, look, you've just made a terrible mistake? no, not at all. i mean, you have to have your views represented. at that point, i was thinking, well, you know, we've made a difficult decision. there are upsides to the decision. this is not a binary decision. i mean, i came down on remain because i looked at it through the eyes of an international businessperson but there are some upsides as well. there are upsides through autonomy. not economically that we've yet seen. in other words, there are theoretical upsides that we could regulate less or in a different w...

As someone who'd been a business leader, who worked around the world, worked for global companies, clearly thought leaving the eu was a mistake, did it make you hesitate to go into politics? just think, i should say to this lot, look, you'vejust made a terrible mistake? no, not at all. i mean, you have to have your views represented. at that point, i was thinking, well, you know, we've made a difficult decision. there are upsides to the decision. this is not a binary decision. i mean, i came down on remain because i looked at it through the eyes of an international business person. but there a...

I mean, you have to have your views represented. at that point, i was thinking, well, you know, we've made a difficult decision. there are upsides to the decision. by the way, this is not a binary decision. i mean, i came down on remain because i looked at it through the eyes of an international business person. but there are some upsides as well. there are upsides to autonomy economically that we've yet seen. in other words, there are theoretical upsides that we could regulate or are different. you make your own decisions. you can tax in a different way. but we've yet to see any economic bene...