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At least normal. >> it was normal and sane. but i think if he looks at the polls, yes, he is very concerned about what is going to happen in this election. you have to remember, he has been governing just for his base. he hasn't been president of all of the united states. he's been the president of the minority that put him in office. and that's all he cares about, and they hated obama. they believe the birther stuff. he is playing to them. that's where his strength is, because they will turn out and vote. so it's going to be very interesting to see. this is a seminole election, and it's going...

The n-word. that has an ugly history. to make the point i wrote down the n-word in a tweet. to make the point it's not nearly what the word redskins is. >> you get the combination of calling the president muslim and born in kenya, et cetera, et cetera, this paints a picture that makes people doubt your moral standing to take on someone's who's primary is racism. >> john, maybe you and i disagree with this and i never got into the birther stuff. i said obama is muslim and i will get down on my knees. i don't think trump is a racist. all trump cares about it himself. he there throw out racist an...

The birther stuff? >> jesse: at least he got his name right. what did the column last time? what about the clinton foundation. they have $25 million from the saudis. what about the million-dollar russian dossier. that tried to influence elections. i want to be fair and balanced too. i think whitewater was probably a witch hunt too. if you look inside the trump organization, i'm sure you're going to find a little something or other. every bank on wall street has paid hundreds of millions of dollars in fines to regulators. every pharmaceutical company, every energy company. you can always find s...

At the time. that's when he was pushing the birther stuff, so that's not true. so on the specifics of what putin said at the press conference, look, as we reported in russian roulette, putin was well aware of trump's presence. in fact, he had been invited to attend the miss universe pageant. he cannot make it because he had a meeting with the king of holland, but he has his right-hand man and press spokesman call trump, i'm talking about demitri, call trump apologizing that putin can't make it and he's going to send one-otherwise top aides to the mess universe pageant, invites trump to the soc...

Going to run for president back then, trump had publicly talked about running for president in 2011. he was widely talked about as a potential republican candidate at the time. that's when he was pushing the birther stuff, so that's not true. so on the specifics of what putin said at the press conference, look, as we reported in russian roulette, putin was well aware of trump's presence. in fact, he had been invited to attend the miss universe pageant. he cannot make it because he had a meeting with the king of holland, but he has his right-hand man and press spokesman call trump, i'm talking ...