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Relationship to trump, remember, he was not paid to be trump's campaign manager by trump or by the republican national committee. when he got $75 million according to indictments from oligarchs. >> malcolm, it's important to bring up paul manafort, paul manafort is in prison right now hoping for a pardon. what people have to remember, he's not in prison for what we call russia-gate. he's not in prison for anything that wound up in the mueller report. he worked for his pro-putin president of ukraine. mr. i mr mr. yanovittch. this was devin nunes talking about something called the blackledger. f...

25th phone call transcript said do me a favor, it says do us a favor. if you look at that paragraph it's about ukrainians. the blackledger to bring down the trump campaign, whether it's a statement or origins of the steele dossier. look at vogel's report from december 2017, it's refutable. these are substance. stop saying the facts are uncontested. i yield back. >> gentleman from massachusetts. >> i ask unanimous consent to insert page 69 of the permanent select committee on intelligence's open hearing where deputy assistant secretary of defense laura cooper testified that the department of de...

Thereafter and ukraine didn't have to do anything. president zensky said no quid pro quo, no pressure but democrats want you to ignore the other 70% of this story. see, it doesn't work like that. democrats want witnesses to show why there was a hold on aid. odd request if you think you've already proven your case. at the heart of this case two investigations are being discussed between countries. democrats medial allies want the public to believe it's all debunked, ukrainians interfered in the 2016 election. they want you to know the comments which lupia worked with the ukraine agency and blac...

Ukrainians that interfered in the election. >> i don't know about interfere. they voiced opposition to candidate trump and in support for hillary clinton but that is not the same thing as the kind of nefarious intervention that the russians did involving hacking and the like. they are very different levels. >> so there -- absolutely. but with regards to what ukrainians actually did in the 2016 election, whether it is ambassador challi and his op-ed, it is the blackledger that brought down the campaign for president trump and the origins of the steele dossier and avakav comment and -- >> but th...

"the times" also reporting that as part of the same effort the russians have also promoted a theory essentially that the president's campaign chairman paul manafort was framed. that the so-called black ledger that showed him taking millions of dollars in illicit payments from ukraine is somehow not real information and that he somehow shouldn't be in jail. thank you for joining us tonight. i know it's a busy environment. >> thanks for having me on the show. >> let me ask you about some of the things that i see within your reporting below the main headline that struck me as new. am i right that...