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Does she want to be on the stage and highlight his record or veer the conversation to what she wants to do. >> i think a little bit of both. she wants to come across as the establishment candidate and in some ways the moderate. she thinks that bernie sanders, the socialism tag doesn't work for him. she thinks that she's nor of a pragmatist. the practical democrat that can actually govern and get things done. she's never going to go on the attack against him because they know it doesn't work for her, it doesn't work for her when she was up against obama. >> she can't afford to offend his suppor...

He'll get in or get out, because we don't know. do you know if there's a decision announced or leaked or discovered by tuesday night? >> i'd be surprised. mostly because, "a," his meetings this week have been with the family. that is very difficult to leak. what happens in that very close-knit family conversation i don't think gets leaked. i don't think he wants -- he's not participating in this debate. i don't think if he decides to get in, he wants to announce and then not be here. i think he'd rather sort of step on the debate after the fact and say, we've got a whole new chapter now of thi...