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That they briefly discussed th 25th amendment, and you see, they are still again m conversation with pompeo, it came a very briefly in our conversation we both believe the bull estelle come wasn't a transition of power which is working, and neither one of us completed in any serious forma the 25th amendment we should point out that i secretary scalia transfer he denied conversations about the 25th amendment but, he put all -- i would like your lega analysis of both thi conversation, whether it was serious or not about the 25t amendment, on top of trump saying, hey, blanket pardons for everybod...

He also talks about how the former president floated the idea of blanket pardons for people who participated. that idea was rejected by the white house counsel. the former position, according to this testimony, also floated the idea of blanket pardons for white house aids and officials, though the white house counsel said, nobody here as done anything wrong, they don't need them. so a lot of questions, and we are expected to get more later today. >> thank you for sifting through all of that paula reid, thank you. . kari lake is being forced to pay part of her opponent's legal feels. a judge...

Special counsel jack smith will have questions about what was going on in mark meadows' fireplace. >> we're also learning about another white house aide, johnny mcintee who talked to the committee about trump's reaction and his anger toward vice president mike pence. what did he say to the committee? >> that's exactly right. we know the former president was not pleased with his vice president when he refused to block the certification but it was interesting in the testimony to kind of watch the evolution. he said that he overheard the former president pressing his vice president to, quote, do ...

The january 6th select committee is preparing to release yet another batch of transcripts for witness interviews. cnn political correspondent sarah murray is here in "the situation room" with me. she's got more information. the transcripts already released have been packed with new revelations, as you know. we learned that trump considered issuing blanket pardons for some of his allies in the final days of his presidency. tell us more. >> reporter: that's right. we're learning that president trump floated blanket pardons for people involved in january 6th. he got pushback from the white house ...

To defraud the united states requires knowledge of fraud. obstruction of an official proceeding requires a corrupt intent. and so to demonstrate those intents one of the things prosecutors can use as evidence is consciousness of guilt. as evidenced by this desire to have blanket pardons. >> you know, pete, on the way out the door trump pardoned a lot of the architects of the coup. he pardoned -- what's his name -- bannon, he pardoned flynn who makes his way into the west wing in all of the days leading up to the insurrection. he pardons manafort. you know, they were not hard to get, but -- so ...