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Centers in the u.s. >> you think the coverage reflects that? >> no, it does not. the place that has that is breitbart news. >> "the new york times" has blockbuster pieces, two full pages inside the paper, in conjunction with el paso times, 11 reporters, lots of documents, gillian, has this kind of reporting, not just this story, broken through political and convinced the public that there's genuine crisis? >> i don't think so, i think media on both sides are failing. they are following every rabbit and that does disservice to the problem, you have border patrol agents pushing back on the stori...

More people into these detention centers in the u.s. >> you think the coverage reflects that? >> no, it does not. the place that has that is breitbart news. >> "the new york times" has blockbuster pieces, two full pages inside the paper, in conjunction with el paso times, 11 reporters, lots of documents, gillian, has this kind of reporting, not just this story, broken through political and convinced the public that there's genuine crisis? >> i don't think so, i think media on both sides are failing. they are following every rabbit and that does disservice to the problem, you have border patrol...

Power hitting third baseman of the philadelphia phillies, mike schmidt, here with us. one of the authors of one of these incredible blockbuster pieces. i want to ask you, there's a lot in this piece, but obviously the flashing red light here is the notion that the president is talking about to what extent he has to pardon, his aides, his family members, and potentially himself. tell us more about what your reporting shows about what his attitude is towards that question. he is asking the question with what kind of disposition? >> i think the president clearly understands the seriousness of mue...