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crucial witnesses in any of these trump probes. i'm talking about the man atop the white house during the january 6th insurrection, and he was chief of staff during that period, chaotic and otherwise of trump's departure when we know the secretive classified documents were taken, stolen, or mishandled. the man you see on the screen is your witness, mark meadows. the "times" has just crossed that news in the last few minutes. we have that news. we've also got this video, providing a rare look at trump council jack smith heading to work today, apparently escorted by security. msnbc new...

Justify what they were saying, these fraud claims. the committee's not giving them a public stage to do that because they think most debunk and they want the actual information people have about how this effort came together behind the scenes. i think they're willing to let that bluster go, and people come in and answer serious questions. >> bluster actually, fantastic for testimony. good to see you. thank you for joining us. kyle cheney legal affairs reporter for politico. i bring in olivia troy, with mike pence, former, on matter of counterterrorism. good morning. thank you for being with ...

It's a methodical roll-out. she is great at answering the questions and talking with people. she's got a good response. i think she like a few other candidates are waiting to let all the bluster go. >> there is something to be flying under the radar right now? >> absolutely. and she has done this very interestingly, because there have been a lot of people, a lot of chatterers saying where is kirsten gillibrand. why haven't we heard more about her? she has done a ton in iowa and new hampshire. >> she is talking to people. >> one thing she is doing that no one else has done and she is going to d...