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The message, who is the messenger, how do we get these numbers back up? >> i spent most of the day yesterday trying to watch some of those football games and i think about the cliche in sports that winning fixes everything. is this a situation that all of fighting going on between chuck schumer or jamie harrison gets better if democrats put more points on the board legislatively? >> certainly if this were making some gains legislatively that could help but arguably people keep talking about if they could only get it across the board, the goal line. well, there are significant accomplishments b...

Twitter fight. they need to put points on the board legislatively. >> and maybe that's why lindsey graham thinks no big deal. send this big ole kiss to the president. he shot a 73 on the wet golf course, isn't he special? is graham's goal let me make nice with the president to get something done? sort of like rand paul? or does he maybe want the secretary of state position? >> reporter: i think that's unlikely that he's angle for any other position than the senate. but he said his goal is to make nice with president trump to find a way to get something done. he said this is not a guy i agree w...

Calling out "build the wall" in supporting him, but politically, it's much more difficult. difficult to find the funding for it, which is a big price tag, difficult in the face of other big concerns like infrastructure spending. so can that big achievement that the president wants, can it be done over the next year? hard to say. the president says it will be done in his first term, but politically, that's a big test. so, for the president, nothing on the board legislatively yet that is of high level kind of achievement level. there's been some bills he signed but as you point out, the big stuf...

Scoring points and making gestures and having conversations about race that somebody else is dragging him into than he is in getting stuff done and things passed. and i think that's legitimate, even though he messed up badly in this particular case. >> it's a totally cogent argument. i think the cost of it and it's wrong is because they puts the points on the board legislatively. and they take these hits over and over again, their political enemies, taking hits and never punching back and never going after the people smearing them, why they're doing that, they're wondering why legislative poin...

You have to keep your eye on the ball. obama is less interested in scoring points and making gestures and having conversations about race that somebody else is dragging him into than he is in getting stuff done and things passed. and i think that's legitimate, even though he messed up badly in this particular case. >> it's a totally cogent argument. i think the cost of it and it's wrong is because they puts the points on the board legislatively. and they take these hits over and over again, their political enemies, taking hits and never punching back and never going after the people smearing t...