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What does it tell you that we're up to 50 hours here with cohen? i mean, what does that mean? >> that's a workweek with overtime. i spent about 10 hours with michael cohen. and he was largely unhelpful and didn't recall a lot of what was asked of him. but we still learned a lot in just 10 hours, where he was not cooperative. so i can only imagine what the mueller team has learned with 50 hours of full cooperation. >> and just to put a point on that, you're suggesting, you believe that he's far more forthright with mueller than he was originally when he was fighting with you guys? >> yeah, like...

They set up a taint team. the taint team is attorneys and fbi agents that are unrelated to the underlying investigation. in theory they look at these things and say wait, this is privileged, we can't look at this, wink-wink, nod-nod. what cohen may be doing is under rule 41 he can move to return that property or move to suppress it later on but he can basically say to the court, a tro, a temporary restraining order, is an emergency measure. you've got to stop these agents from possibly violating attorney/client privilege by reviewing these recordings. >> am i the only one who cracks up every t...

Or a congressional investigators who he has clearly given a lot of crumbs to. >> one other interesting excerpt from the book, the president was going to pick jared kushner to be his chief of staff. and the book claims that none other than ann coulter was the voice of reason and said you just can't hire your own children. >> i don't think -- he seemed to imagine that the position was sort of analogous to being the white house bell hop or something like that. >> or his body guy. >> yeah, which i think kushner essentially was during the campaign. but, yeah, the fact that ann coulter is the one st...

Muller will look into it. as the con centric circle also get closer to donald trump, the concern level raises up. one person i would flag who is clearly in the mix of these discussions is michael cohen, the president's personal lawyer. and when the stories came out about his associations with the former mafia guy felix sader, that was one of the stories, of all the stories that concerned people in trump's orbit, that was one of the ones that really raised the level of concern. the only reason was is because michael cohen's business dealings are inextricably tied to the president's. >> i mean, ...

On the campaign trail or who knew president trump in new york city would recognize him as trump's right-hand man, his body guy. he worked on trump's security detail for almost 20 years and became a close friend and trusted confidante to the president and his family. when trump decided to fire former fbi director james comey, it was schiller who went to the bureau to deliver the letter himself. i need my panel to weigh in on this. rick tyler and mike rupe ka. they have this beautiful report, schiller believes kelly doesn't like trump personally and is serving as chief of staff predominantly out...