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During the health care debate the critical turning point was when the nuns came out and they said, you know, health care is important. there are a lot of americans who really are on the knife's edge, ed. they are working class folks. they may actually be antiabortion. they may be concerned about gay rights, something like that. but there's another side. there are these moral sides of how we treat the poor and when the catholic bishops, when nuns and others step forward and say, you know, this dialogue about cutting medicare, cutting medicaid is going to threaten the least among us, that resona...

Said, you know, health care is important. there are a lot of americans who really are on the knife's edge, ed. they are working class folks. they may actually be antiabortion. they may be concerned about gay rights, something like that. but there's another side. there are these moral sides of how we treat the poor and when the catholic bishops, when nuns and others step forward and say, you know, this dialogue about cutting medicare, cutting medicaid is going to threaten the least among us, that resonates beyond just circles into all sorts of voting communities. >> and the fact of the matter i...