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Racial and religious profiling. today we learned he thinks profiling of a different kind -- the kind that targeted conservatives -- is just fine. in fact he says it's a good idea while questioning interim irs chief at hearing today mcdermott took issue with the agency suspending b ork lo or be on the look out list for screening groups applying for tax exempt status. >> the american college of surgeons has just adopted bolo lists before they take somebody into surgery there is a long checklist of things they look at. we think that's the way you organize your thinking. it's clear to me that a be...

>> why would they act like they're guilty if there's no evidence they are? >> i have no idea. it's a real puzzle for a shop that is supposed to be so politically keen and astute, they have a certain tone deafness. >> i agree. >> why is that? >> i agree with all that. what's remarkable to me someone clearly knew that progressive groups were on these bolo lists since when this thing emerged. and they still never said anything. we could have had a different political conversation over the past month if someone had spoken up and said this. instead we've focused incessantly on the scandal and only ...

Is playing too much politics beyond where it's allowed to, somewhere below 50%, trying to figure out that out in terms of behavior is going to be very tough. one thing i want to agree with michael about. what do you think of the way the white house has handled this? >> i think it's been abysmal. they've created more noise around this issue than anything else that issa has done. >> i think the way they have -- >> is it free-floating guilt, as we catholics would say? they just say assume they're guilty of something? >> right. >> why would they act like they're guilty if there's no evidence they ...

That's supposed to be so politically keen and astute, they have a certain tone deafness. >> i agree. >> why is that. >> i agree with all that. what's remarkable to me someone clearly knew that progressive groups were on these bolo lists since when this thing emerged. and they still never said anything. we could have had a different political conversation over the past month if someone had spoken up and said this. instead we've focused incessantly on the scandal and only now learning this information. >> i sound like such a political hack sometimes. i think they need a political operation at th...

>> it's not like me. >> everyone. >> not like it's only been on red states. >> everyone. but the problem is it's been selectively released information. we're getting a fuller story. there is a macro story that has to be addressed was this done at the behess of the obama administration and campaign. if progressives are on this bolo lists which is true, it seems odd the obama administration would ask the irs to also screen allies and that is an important element of the story that we didn't know until yesterday. >> sam stein always breaking the the new for "the huffington post." >> yes. i love th...