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And people around sessions that as the russia investigation heats up, he will really go after sessions. his criticism of sessions were not that strong. i've seen him be much harsher about sessions. >> good get from "the new york times", a reporter that interviewed donald trump at his golf club in florida. congratulations on the scoop. >> thank you for having me. joining us is former u.s. attorney in the eastern district of michigan. i want to talk to you about this interview. fascinating stuff. one piece in the interview is this part about jeff sessions we talked to michael about. donald tru...

And staying on one of the tommics that we talked to michael about, should president-elect trump reach across the aisles for a cabinet member? and cal, what are you seeing? >> this is a snapshot and in realtime so you will see it move, but a vast mority of you at home do want him to cross the party lines and be more inclusive in the cabinet, and maybe it is the result of the victory is hours at home, and the republicans possibly, and looking at the tug of war by age group. young viewers at a home, i don't have an explanation of this disagreeing than agreeing and more of you at home 18 to 24 dis...

What from our reporting and from documents i've looked at, it seems now the irs is putting together a categorizing system in which they can create buckets of groups that could get screened by the same agents, not something politically nefarious but something done so that every category would have the same screening process. and that's not necessarily a scandal. >> yeah, we have to find out. by the way, in all fairness to the bureaucrats, and i'm not anti-bureaucrat, trying to figure out whether a company, some sort of a 501-c4 group that is playing too much politics beyond where it's allowed t...

Is playing too much politics beyond where it's allowed to, somewhere below 50%, trying to figure out that out in terms of behavior is going to be very tough. one thing i want to agree with michael about. what do you think of the way the white house has handled this? >> i think it's been abysmal. they've created more noise around this issue than anything else that issa has done. >> i think the way they have -- >> is it free-floating guilt, as we catholics would say? they just say assume they're guilty of something? >> right. >> why would they act like they're guilty if there's no evidence they ...

Seems now the irs is putting together a categorizing system in which they can create buckets of groups that could get screened by the same agents, not something politically nefarious but so that every category would have the same screening process. that's not necessarily a scandal. >> by the way, in all fairness to the bureaucrats, and i'm not the anti-bureaucrat, trying to figure out whether some sort of 501 c4 group is playing too much politics somewhere below 50%, trying to figure that in terms of behavior is going to be very tough. one thing i want to agree with michael about. what do you ...