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one and could face another one in years coming not taking the lessons we should. >> i can't believe the booster numbers are so low. is it a concern there's not as much danger around these days compared to the height of the pandemic? most people test at home these days, who knows the case numbers. a lot of it is out of public view and doesn't get as much attention. is that a problem? >> a big problem. that's why we have to rely on wastewater, our best metric. that's what has been so high in the u.s. and many other countries. this is a globally dominant variant now, it's really surged. and hospitalizations are helpful, but fortunately, michael, we have some population immunity built over these four years. that's why there's this gap between lots of new infections, reinfections, and not as much hospitalizations as in the past.

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At This Hour With Kate Bolduan-20220128-16:45:00

gotten a boostere er and that s really good but 77% still think it is inevitable that most people will get covid. what do you make of this? >> so i think, first of all, the booster numbers are progress. i wish it was 90% to 95% people need to get their boosters. still confusion about who needs it and gets it. every adult needs one if they're five months out from the second shot. progress not as much as we want. second, over the long run, over the next six months, year, two years. sure, i can imagine that most would end up getting infected, but it will be less and less as we get more immunity, better therapeutics and what i care most about, i don't want people sick or in the hospital or people dying. our ability to prevent those things is getting better and better every day. >> thanks for being here. good to see you. >> thank you. coming up for us, the beijing olympic games are now just a week away.

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