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Make the rounds as often as they should have. that is every 30 minutes that they should have gone around to check if epstein was in his cell. as well as the other inmates in that special housing unit that particularly protective area of the mcc. look, the union representing these two guards has said time and time again that this is just a systemic -- if this wasn't epstein, it would have happened at some point because the guards are overworked. they talk about the fact that their guards are thinly placed throughout this facility. people that are working overtime. one of the guards saying that ...

Information they want. >> do we know why those officials have not been made available for questioning or interviews at this point or what has been inside the mcc facility, the warden, the people that were working that night? >> it's a good question. basically what happens here is you do have the ability, even though you're a government employee, somebody who has to speak to investigators on. you can insert the fifth amendment rights. in addition they have a union that's unusual. the fbi doesn't have a union. when they come calling and asking what you did as an fbi agent, you must answer. that'...

Be broken in hankings but it's seen in situations when something dies from homicide strang u ligs. we'll find out as soon as we get the autopsy report which bone was breaken. that is important. this was one piece to the puzzle. there are multiple investigations here. this shows us the forensic evidence, but ultimately we've got the d.o.j., and the fbi looking into the circumstances of epstein's apparent suicide by hanging. and we've got also the b.o.p., bureau of prisons, sent an after-action team to review how the warden and the guards acted in this situation. we have a suicide reconstruction...

Volunteered to help because of over staffing. what comes next? the fbi is investigating. falsifying federal records is a felony. professionally, the bop will finish its report and submitted to a special review committee will decide what to do with these guards. harris? >> harris: we have pictures and evidence. i know prosecutors are looking at some very powerful men in all of this. there is one coconspirator who is a woman that we know about, and now apparently from a lawsuit that you know about from today, there could be other women who were involved. >> that's right. multiple accusers allege...

Clothes really. just a smock. nothing that could be turned into a noose or some other ways of killing yourself. did he have some sort of special pleading? did he exert any undue influence? doesn't that have to be investigated? >> absolutely. having both of these investigations, looking at that. look, epstein is spending a lot of time with his lawyers in these rooms. first of all, maybe this goes without saying but i'll say it just in case. the prosecutors in the southern district of new york don't control that. that's controlled by the all you can do is recommend thi things to the bop. prosecu...