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He was even losing part of his base. he's not going to accomplish anything more with another shutdown after the failed 35-day shutdown. so he doesn't really have a choice, but i don't know if he understands that. >> with every shutdown, it seems like he gets less, right? but seriously, frank, this is according to a democratic source. $1.375 billion for physical barrier, for bollard fencing. the real test of the president is, you know, he's down at the border campaigning right now. what's he saying, and how are people going to react? and is he going to sign this agreement? >> well, i mean he ma...

Conversation before about using executive action. taking it from military budget, from other areas that aren't classic reprogramming. again, we have to see the details on that. i wouldn't have a problem if the president's reprogramming some funds. for example, there is a fund called the treasury asset forfeiture fund to be used for any law enforcement purposes. that could be used under the law for whatever purpose they choose including border barriers. we have to see where the funds come from. >> right. >> it is important to follow the law in this process. >> let me ask you this. i know you ha...

Like he gets less, right? but seriously, frank, this is according to a democratic source. $1.375 billion for physical barrier, for bollard fencing. the real test of the president is, you know, he's down at the border campaigning right now. what's he saying, and how are people going to react? and is he going to sign this agreement? >> well, i mean he may sign the agreement and then as kaitlan was saying, he could turn around and do an emergency declaration of some kind although that would put him at great odds with his own party. i think what's going to be interesting is watching him describe i...

Three days before the possibility of another government shutdown, but is it a deal the president will accept? here's what he said a short time ago. >> i hope there won't be a shutdown. i am extremely unhappy with what the democrats have given us. it's sad.tsave given us. it's sad. they're doing the country no favor. they are hurting our country very badly. but we certainly don't want to see a shutdown. but you'll be hearing fairly soon. the bottom line is, on the wall, we're building the wall, and we're using other methods other than this and in addition to this. we have a lot of things going....

This has got to be dealt with as an all or nothing. because the president has to get this done. it's about security, and the politicians that are in the way, mostly democrat and including a few republicans, they don't really care about security. they are playing games with. >> harris: you mentioned, senator richard shelby of alabama. >> david: the former democrat he became convenient republican. >> harris: a probations committee, is what i understand. it is somewhat about the money because we are far afield of the original $25 billion. >> katie: they wanted $26 billion to complete the fence or...