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Including physical barriers. so here's the question. i understand the idea that you don't want a 2,000-mile wall, but you have supported and a lot of democrats including pelosi, including schumer have supported a border that includes hundreds of miles of fencing, so why not make a deal, the deal that right now without opening the government, why not make the deal that lindsey graham was talking about -- lindsey graham was talking about, some money for border barriers, fencing, wall, in return for some concessions on dreamers or and tps immigrants? >> chris, it would be great if we could reach ...

It become as problem for the president, not justed president but for congress. clear from the polling that's where the blame is placed because he's the one insisting this is the fight for the wall. that it is the federal workers who should keep being unpaid while he demands this wall as opposed to backing down. lawmakers are very, are saying they don't know what the president will accept. they don't know what he will do. whether he'll declare the end to the shutdown. we don't know. >> and visited border barriers, you know it affects the immigration and illegal drugs into the country. you said ...

Foot medieval wall is not going to work and never was and let's stop pretending it is. you appeared on cnn to discuss the border wall. i want to play a piece of that interview for our audience. >> i will definitely i don't know if it's steel, i will vote for some money for physical barriers. it's not going to be across the entire 2000 mile stretch and it certainly not going to be a concrete wall. >> okay. so you didn't say a concrete wall but you were talking about border barriers. what exactly is the difference at this point? >> well, the difference is really important. we have to remember we...

>> democrats believe the border wall is it up to this public policy. >> reporter: in 2006 promise democrats like schumer and clinton and obama voted for two layers of fencing in the secure fence act. all senate democrats voted for bill including 700 miles of fencing and technology. what changed for you between 2013 when all democrats supported a measure that had 700 miles of border barriers? >> what was 2013? massive components of brought immigration reform. >> reporter: today he wants more details. >> i want to know what is being proposed, how many miles, location, eminent domain. >> reporter...

Before donald trump was in office. and evolving position from capitol hill. >> two years before being elected president politician shaping future platform want by the dangers of a porous border. think it can only be donald trump? it was barack obama. >> it will do some good. we will authorize badly needed funding for better fences and better security along the borders. >> the next standardbearer for the democratic party bragged about border barriers. >> i voted on numerous times when i was a senator suspends money to build a barrier. >> top democrats in the senate right now tried to negotiate ...