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Illegal border crossings? the last two administrations have done a pretty good job, border crossings are down at historic levels. the number of people working the border is up by four to five times than it was even ten years ago. it's not a crisis. and the wall is not a solution. at this stage i think, jim, honestly, it's an ego thing. he promised the wall. he promised mexico would pay for it. mexico's not paying but he still has to deliver on the wall. >> how much will it cost to do what the president wants, this vision of a giant 2,000-mile wall, in effect, trademarked trump, right? even if ...

They're sending people that have lots of problems. and they're bringing those problems with us. they're bringing drugs. they're bringing crime. they're rapists and some i assume are good people. >> so governor, you know, the folks his critics are saying he showed us who he was in those comments over two years ago. at least he's consistent. he hasn't changed. and people shouldn't be surprised by his behavior today. they expected it all along. >> what do you take -- what issue do you take with him by saying just what he said? the fact of the matter is being a border governor, we know we're not g...

Position. well, with nations you can't do that because these political leaders have constituencies. mexico's very nationalistic. look, i was a border governor. i have mexican heritage. i was one of the few democrats that voted for nafta. i was in the congress then. you know, these are very complicated issues that require preparation. you can't just have foreign policy by tweet, by bullying, by executive orders, by speeches. we have to prepare and work toward what is the best interests of the united states. and you know, my worry, done, is mexico has leverage over us. we need mexico's support i...

These are complicated issues that require preparation. can't do it by tweet, executive orders, speeches. we have to prepare and word towards what is best interest of the united states. my worry don is mexico has leverage over us. we need mexico supporting the drug war. we want drug lords extradited like el chapo. want their support on migration and trade issues and so many other cross border issues. i was a border governor. to back off the president of mexico, make him look bad, humiliate him, not the kay to do it. and do that end, negotiating with mexico. third largest supplier of imports. th...

Criminal backgrounds that threaten the united states. i think we need to tighten our visa requirements so that if we don't get incidents like we did in san bernardino, people that are hostile to america. but at the same time, i think building a wall, finding ways to keep muslims out, having a repressive policy is not going to be a solution. constructive immigration reform is good for the budget, it's good for business. it creates jobs. it's good on the border. look, i was a border governor. illegal immigration on the border with mexico has decreased. >> but you've also said and yes, you are a ...