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Getting sick and dying. also criminal elements from across the border coming over here and killing folks. a classic example, police officer in california was killed. this is the border security issue. heather: they know the president will not agree to this. remains to be seen what the senate will do, as they allow the president to veto if it gets that far. is that all smoke and mirrors at this point for the democrats? >> i think it is. as far as democrats are concerned they are doing political posturing. what will take is we are going to have to, the citizens have to mobilize like they did in ...

The country, and many of them in trump country, and as michael steele points out, there is a political dimension for the checkdown for president trump, and the primary one, but the substantive one is that the white house does not have much of the legislative agenda absent from the border security issue in part because the democrats control the house. in many ways, this border wall is the only game in town for donald trump, and now you have government workers who are being in effect held hostage by this overall debate. >> garrett and michael steele, what about the republicans? garrett, will sus...

Both of them are up for re-election next year in states that hillary clinton won in 2016. and so the worst year of president trump's life legislatively has begun with at least two defections from the republican ranks in the united states senate. joining our discussion now ron klain and the former chief council for the senate judiciary committee, and also david jolly from florida. and david jolly, i want to start with you because in the house tonight we had a total of seven republican defections. seven republicans voted for that package of spending bills, the six spending bills that had nothing...

Susan collins. to the congressman's point, there are a number of people who are probably teetering right on that edge of saying, look, let's pass this spending resolution that we've had that there's been support for in the past, separate the border security issue, but really the other issue that the leaders are dealing with is the president and frankly, not wanting to put his members in the conference cross wise with the president. it's more than just saying is the president going to veto the bill or not. it's also this issue of not wanting his members to have to take votes that are going to p...

Security. five of them voted for that temporary funding of the department of homeland security while the border security issue gets argued about. what do you make of that total of seven defections from republicans in the house tonight? >> look, it's interesting on day one because nancy pelosi and house democrats did the right thing. and so there are fewer republican moderates in the house as a result of the losses on november 6th. but what we saw there are still republicans who know opening the government and reaching consensus on something that's already been agreed to is the right way forwar...