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Wall. what they did yesterday was go in and say, from the start, we have to have the 5.6, 5.7 billion dollars that trump has demanded for the wall. democrats -- not only democrats, but some republicans will not buy that because the border wall, the wall, whether it's steel or concrete or what other substance it is, is a boondoggle, it's not reg vapt to effective border security. so they continue to say let's discuss effective border security measures, but do you know who is not having it, donald trump. >> right, let's look at this action that he floated about claiming a national emergency, goi...

Border security. >> right. >> and then president trump said no, no, no. nothing less than $5.6 billion. it's tough to negotiate when the numbers keep changing. >> well, it's tough to negotiate when one side is not negotiating, jake. and you're a good journalist and so let's make sure we're clear on what has happened. an offer was made by this president, and his team for $2.5 billion, part of that to go to new wall construction, part of that for border security measures. and it was met with, we're not going to do anything other than what is in the dhs bill, which really doesn't address border s...

Look, you have a couple of options. give the president 1.6 billion and another billion for security at ports of entry. approve a bipartisan bill linking the wall funding with protection for young immigrants brought illegally to the country as children. resurrect the 2013 comprehensive immigration overhaul that included huge increases in border security measures. that's a guy a senator from tennessee. listen, i'm going to be leaving here in two years. i have seen this before. no one is benefiting. 800,000 people don't know there is not a paycheck. the pandas can't get fed. steve: the pan does a...

Insist on reasonable border security measures. i don't think anybody seriously believes the 2,000 mile concrete barrier makes sense. even general kelly said they have taken that off the table. the question is what type of border security enhancements? >> i think president trump believes it. >> he may believe it -- that's part of the problem. the president is very difficult to negotiate with because his positions change all the time. you remember, the senate initially passed a continuing resolution that had the administration's support but not the president's. so nobody can speak on behalf of t...

Border security-type measures. a lot of voters and even many members of kwhong in the past voted for a wall or other border security measures are willing to overlook the fact that mexico is no longer paying for the wall. we deviated from the promise and that's why most republican voters are standing by the president during this shut down in part because they don't know what he is ultimately going to advocate for or accept and they view him as still fighting for what it is he believes in. right, wrong, or indifferently on the policy of the wall. >> as he continues to do that without general mat...