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Issue and i just don't see how house democrats are going to vote for any more border funding for a wall. there might be a way to slice and dice this and have some border security measures in there and i get back to the point that i think the president has backed himself into a corner. he own this is shut down and said it was going to be his shut down and he has not provided clarity on what he would agree to and as a consequence, everything is ambiguous. no one knows how to move forward. the house is going to be in control of putting forward clearly what it is they are willing to do in terms of...

Number. we were looking at the number of 1.6, 1.3 billion. something you do not support right now. you said if the senate passes what they had at that moment, your suggestion as a member of the budget committee is he should support that. do you no longer support that idea? >> that package had an additional 25 billion dollar for other border security measures. there are multiple offers that have gone back and forth from the white house to get to that solution. if you have the bridge act, you could have more of that 25 billion spent on wall or steel slats or strategic fencing. what my colleague ...

It. the president, not just there, but other places, has talked about the democrats being solely to blame for our immigration problems. that's just not the case. i was part of a group that negotiated the deal that we had in 2013, which would have provided about $42 billion in added border security measures, whether it's fencing, manpower technology and every democrat in the senate, every one of them, voted for it. so democrats are willing to vote for border security, as long as it's tied to other things that we need to do with regard to immigration reform, like a solution to the dreamers, like...

Democratic obstruction of the needed wall. mick mulvaney said the partial government shutdown could very well go into the new congress. democrats say that they support border security measures, but they do not believe the wall is an effective border security measure. of the president of course disagrees. he says that the technology alone, funding for physical barriers, and the government will not open until he has some funding for some sort of physical barrier. >> leland: the semantics here becoming important. security measures, we were on the air yesterday as word broke from the president in ...

What's going on? >> they're virtually going nowhere at the moment. the last time they had a face-to-face meeting was on saturday between vice president mike pence, chuck schumer, and that did not go particularly well. pence came and offered $2.5 billion to deal with the border wall on the southern border along with border security measures. that's more than the $1.3 billion that the democrats have been pushing and schumer rejected that offer out of hand, and since then, they've closed shop on capitol hill, up until thursday, when they get back into session. and that's just going to be five day...