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Hard-core discussions. neil: i thought i'd get you in a weak moment, governor, and you might say something. nice to have you. >> congratulations on the new show. neil: thank you, we're honored to have you. a lot of back and forth on the scene and the other is whether this back and forth on being fair with tax cuts means that we can at least take the politics out of them. especially if it's money. money is money, after this. hold together. a little to the left. 1, 2, 3, push! easy! easy! easy! (horn honking) alright! alright! we've all got places to go! we've all got places to go! washington cr...

You said? >> no i'm not ignoring their wishes. they passed the law. they want to expand medicaid and i'm fine with that. give me the money. i can't expand medicaid without funds. i have to pay the bills and therefore until you identify how we're going to pay for it, i can't implement it. i can not spend money i don't have. neil: fair enough, sir. you know there are many people who look at what's happening in the medicaid experiment that you led within your state for good or old depending on the political print of view but that what the president is going to outline could be something similar o...

Important and particularly in a state like maine and rural state being the oldest state in the country, nursing homes, mentally ill folks, they're all depending on government support and there's limited resources and we all know medicaid doesn't pay the full vote and therefore we have to get everybody able to contribute has to contribute so the safety net is available for the most vulnerable. neil: but how do you distinguish whose eligible and who needs it and who doesn't? >> well basically if you're physically fit and able to go to work, we ask you to either go to work, go to school or volunt...

State of west virginia but i have a heart and i'm sympathetic and i have empathy for these. neil: but he took the wall off the table. >> well he did not, okay? neil: yeah, he did the funding for that he says he's not going to -- >> let me tell you one thing. we need to have border security neil. i'm voting for border security those other deputies will vote for border security. neil: all right joe telling me to do the wall and soon it looks like the president will do citizenship for a lot of those dreamers do we have a deal? let's ask rich edson, following this closely at the white house what a...

Out. do the people you talk to, whatever justification this rally that picked up steam on steroids here over the last year, is running too far, too fast, they worry about it? >> and it keeps going up. i think there's a caution out there. there's -- anxiety, i think, is too strong of a word, but everybody knows this nine-year bull market has to come to an end. neil: and slow down. >> a slow down, you're right, in the last nine years, 2011, 2012, the market took hits, you always have ups and downs. neil: it's a while. >> it's a good thing that people are worried. it's when people are not worried...