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Deepest recession of our lifetime. they then cut the deficit more than in half by the end of the first term. neil: did the debt go up or did it not? were you worried about the spending? you're more worried about tax cut relief going to americans & companies than you are about the spending that complicated it for those individuals. >> neil you're being disingenuinous. that is not true. neil: did the debt go up? yes it did. >> i told you perfectly well we were concerned about how to get the deficit down once we got out of the recession. neil: i don't know i'll respectfully disagree. we have two ...

Follow-up and do their own thing do you think they will? in other words we've got to think about one out of 10 of the s & p 500 companies doing this and i'm told it's very lookly when all is said and done they all will, then what? dagen: you're going to have potentially and this is from jamie dimon head of jp morgan chase. neil: big democrat. dagen: big old democrat 4% growth potentially in the coming year. we haven't seen 4% growth in the united states since the year 2000 in any one year. we haven't seen 3% growth in the united states since 2005 and this goes to why we had such a stagnation d...

Mean a wall or something like it, so, both sides would appear to bend, is an agreement like that -- i'm simplifying it, that's what they seem to be kicking around with it. what does ben stein think about that. >> ben stein thinks that it's fine, put up a wall they're strong and agile people. let's have the wall and let's have a path to citizenship, let's have them both. neil: all right. ben stein, good seeing you, thank you very much. >> good bless you, sir. neil: and good time having charlie gasperino, coming up he has shcuttle scuttle butt on th influencing it. he's also a volunteer firefigh...

Include additions to pensions or the minimum wage increases. neil: right. >> so we're talking about millions and millions of people, you know. neil: david, what do you think? >> austan referenced the recession, that the obama administration came into. absolutely true. it was a deep recession, but it was the first time that an administration, in my lifetime, dealing with recession, dealt with it by raising taxes and putting in more regulations. when you're stuck with a recession, which a lot of presidents are stuck with and thankfully president trump wasn't stuck with one, but you lower tax rat...

Body that is poo-pooed, i don't know what french is but this is the same gang chasing those nute lla by the way but what do you make of that? all of a sudden they're trying to do deals with the president, get in photos with the president , squeeze in time with the president what happened? >> dean: america's open for business now with this massive tax reform and it's not just for individuals obviously. it's for the corporations, permanent tax cuts for corporations that also do business with all these other nations. last year, you had every major developed country growing simultaneously. there w...