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You never know until there's a vote. >> shannon: exactly. >> i think there's going to be an awful lot of tension within the republican caucus for all the reasons that liam just described. before you can even get to whether or not democrats could be brought further. >> shannon: many hurdles. here's what nanci pelosi, the top democrat in the house is saying about this. >> this is the first time in this era that we've had a president that has rejected newcomers to our country. >> shannon: liam a lot of people will say that's not fair. he's not rejecting people coming here illegally. is there any ...

That crisis that the trump administration i would argue has created is not going to win democratic votes is probably not going to win some republican votes. plenty of republicans are up for reelection right now that have to rely on latino borders in their states where border issues are major issues in their states and feel it's unamerican to separate children from their families as you heard in that decision. >> shannon: that's motivating everybody on the hill -- because they see this and know it's heartbreaking. the president was asked about this morning. he said repeatedly, "i hate it. i hat...

Bipartisan solution is going to have to be where this goes ultimately if they want to solve the problem. >> shannon: getting 218 in the house and getting to the senate where you have to have 60 which means you have to have democrats vote for it there. then for it all to be together to get to the president for him to sign it, it seems like a tough needle to thread. >> i'm an outside observer when it comes to the republican caucus. there is, as you just heard described, significant division within the republican caucus. forget about winning democratic votes for a second. could you get a majority...

To sit down and hammer this thing out. it doesn't seem we have a lot of people right now on the hill who have those kinds of relationships because everybody agrees what we saw in that story is not ok and they want a solution. the tough thing is, how do we get there? um, but you would think and hope that good men and women of the hill will rise up and figure this out. >> i'd like to think that the super majority of senators, democrats and republicans alike, who first passed immigration reform -- this was a couple congresses ago, but they did it -- i would like to think that bodes well for a sim...

Internet-infused world we are living in. if you could give one piece of advice about persuasion, what would it be? >> keep it visual. visual persuasion is the best. scaring people is the best, but i don't like to give that advice. >> tucker: that is true, it works. >> if you will try to sell a border solution, don't say i would like to put together a patchwork of different border security depending on the terrain. you want to say it's a wall, a big beautiful wall. if you want to say we've got to do something about isis, don't say i have an ideology that could be dangerous to us, they are bad p...