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"wall street journal" and speech writer for george w. bush. what we all know there is another deadline. february 15th. will there be another shutdown over this border security debate? >> i don't think there will be another shutdown. i think where we're going is the obvious deal was border wall funding in exchange for a daca solution, right? mrs. pelosi has made clear she is not willing to consider that. so i think that the president is going to go with this national emergency because he wants the wall funding and so forth. i think it would be better to have a legislative solution for something...

Kevin mccarthy of california congressman, welcome back to "meet the press. >> thanks for having me back. >> on day one of the shutdown, the president had a deal in front of him that was essentially a continuing resolution for three weeks no wall. that's the deal he agreed to on day 35 what was accomplished? >> nobody likes to go into a shutdown one thing i -- if you look at winners and losers, i don't know why someone would celebrate a status quo i watched the pretty in every one of the meetings offer a reasonable solution. i watched then leader pelosi spend a new historic time on the floor of...

More, a brick and mortar wall? i think the daca solution is very positive. >> charlie do you see it's a matter of semantics, you know, arguing over, you know, how to define border security? is it barriers, is it wall, is it technology? is that the fine tuning that is standing in the way of coming to a deal? >> well, it seems like we're at the point where there can be real negotiation. look, i've said all a long the way out of this thing is to reopen the government and then simply negotiation probably $2 billion to $3 billion at the end of the day for border security. now define that. border ag...

The president pro-offer something so we're on the offense. my column said that my suggestion was the president, in order to get on the offense say look, i want this money for the border wall. in return, i will provide a solution -- we will come to an agreement on daca, the dreamers. the people brought here as children who are here illegally but known no other country than the united states of america as their home. that i think would give -- put him on the offense rather than being on the receiving side. then it's up to the democrats to answer, well, we don't want that. we all voted -- a bunch...

Yoe opioi opioids. but you made the argument that a daca solution should not be attached to anything else, should not be attached to wall funding. you went as far to call it a huge mistake in politics to link things like that together. has your position changed? >> well, actually on daca, i do think the right thing to do for all of us is to acknowledge the children brought here by their parents at age 4 or 5 years old, committed no crime and those folks should be given legal status. >> you are willing to link the two in a deal maybe for wall funding for a daca solution. it sounds like that; am...