more, a brick and mortar wall? i think the daca solution is very positive. >> charlie do you see it's a matter of semantics, you know, arguing over, you know, how to define border security? is it barriers, is it wall, is it technology? is that the fine tuning that is standing in the way of coming to a deal? >> well, it seems like we're at the point where there can be real negotiation. look, i've said all a long the way out of this thing is to reopen the government and then simply negotiation probably $2 billion to $3 billion at the end of the day for border security. now define that. border agents. technology. a whole number of things. in exchange for that, real protection to the daca population. >> is that what it's being hung up, on the language there or in the amount? >> well, both. i don't think the democrats will