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He could win iowa. he could definitely win new hampshire as a border state guy. and the rout could be on. so i think the combination of the left ward lurch with his organization and already strong position in iowa, i mean, he might actually be the front runner right now. not biden. >> that's certainly true. the race is really taking shape. we saw a bunch of candidates or potential candidates say they're not going to run this week, senator sherrod brown, former presidential candidate clinton, eric holder, former mayor michael bloomberg. >> jeff merkley. >> jeff merkley, senator from oregon. doe...

2012, a meeting about security and benghazi and libya came up. what was discussed in that meeting? who was in there? do you know? >> well, i do know, bill. that there was an christian by -- admission by this pickerring report. >> we know about the meeting. president was in the meeting top national security guy brennan was in there. that's all we know. we have asked the president to tell us about that meeting and what was discussed. you don't know what was in the meeting and i don't know. right? >> well. no. >> all right. okay. >> bill, some national security standards. >> we don't know who in ...

2012, a meeting about security and benghazi and libya came up. what was discussed in that meeting? who was in there? do you know? >> well, i do know, bill. that there was an christian by -- admission by this pickerring report. >> we know about the meeting. president was in the meeting top national security guy brennan was in there. that's all we know. we have asked the president to tell us about that meeting and what was discussed. you don't know what was in the meeting and i don't know. right? >> well. no. >> all right. okay. >> bill, some national security standards. >> we don't know who in ...

>> we don't know who in the irs beside lois lerner did this and we don't know what was at that meeting it was an important meeting because four americans are dead. now let's go to fast and furious. attorney general of the united states doesn't know thousands of guns are going from arizona? you are a border state guy, from arizona to mexico? he doesn't know? is that conceivable to you? >> yes. bill, i was a cabinet secretary. i don't know if you will recall. >> i was never a cabinet secretary. >> security problems. i'm telling you. >> i'm taking your word. >> you don't know everything, bill. as...