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Generals, but he doesn't know more or nobody knows more than these unnamed border patrol officers who work very hard who we're talking about? >> right. they're not a name, first of all. brandon judd has been all over television telling us. >> a union official. >> what i'm saying -- right. and his membership, by the way. but what i'm saying is this. customs and border protection, which is the most hispanic agency in the federal government, which has been unfairly demonized constantly by the left, that group has told us this is the resource we need to secure the border. on top of that, it just m...

Sense for anybody who looks. >> i don't think they said this is the resource. in fact, they're understaffed right now. and so i'm sure there are plenty of border officer. >> o. >> it's not the resource. david gergen, we haven't heard from you. if the president does declare a national emergency and order a border wall built, which is where this seems it's headed, to get the government reopened, is that the best option at this point? because then it ends up in the courts. how do you see that? >> well, from trump's point of view i guess it's the best of a bad set of options. he's got himself in a...

>> reporter: the california democrat will reportedly announcer campaign later this month was her name has been out for months as one of many democrats considering a presidential bid. right now harris is on tour promoting her new book. rob: ten minutes after the era, donald trump hinting he will turn to emergency funds to get his border wall built. our next guest is a retired lieutenant general and he says that should be the president's last option. jillian: she branded herself a workers champion but on her own payroll, alexandria ocasio-cortez's campaign failing to provide for workers. we will...

Cummings' committee, what does that say to you? >> well, people are saying, and i think it probably is the case, that perhaps mueller is winding down certain aspects of his investigation. so he's going to let michael cohen, who has already been sentenced, so that's going to be very revealing. and i know that everybody is going to be watching that, especially the trump people. >> let's turn to the ongoing government shutdown on day 20. president trump said today he will almost definitely declare a national emergency in order to get his border wall built, he would direct funds that are supposed ...

Garden there. at some points, he would be saying, he felt he had a productive meeting with democrats and the shutdown could be over in a matter of days. then, he switched to, yes, he did tell chuck schumer and nancy pelo pelosi, this could go on for years and he may have to use emergency powers to get his border wall built. the president is saying this situation at the border is a national emergency since october. he hasn't declared it since them. judging from what we heard from sources in the white house, that's not a topic of discussion. the president leave it on the table. >> and you presse...