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4%. you've got to be kidding me. >> i'm not kidding, i'm quite serious. we have seen it before. both fred smith -- >> larry -- his legislative agenda right now is nonexistent. >> that's right. >> look, they're pushing for tax cuts. >> he can push whatever he wants. >> that's a forecast. i'm not going to -- i'm an optimist. >> i've got a forecast to be 15 pounds lighter. it ain't gonna happen. >> let me push back on something else. name the small businesses in new york. i'm a new yorker. that he has helped as the head of the trump organization. he has not been involved in helping to build up sm...

Grew up as a millionaire, real estate guy, selling people land, selling people whatever, condos. so he was a salesman. people forget he knew how to sell. and most of his opponents never sold anybody anything. >> right. and the thing to don't forget about donald trump is he's a showman first. right. just in the way he's picking his cabinet. it is all about show. it is all about the misdirection. it is all about how many eyeballs can i get on me and then divert it in the way that i want to. >> what about james comey effect? what about the comey effect? >> republicans will tell me, you know, all ...

And when you start looking at the picks he's doing now for his cabinet, incredibly astute. the fact he's putting linda mcmahon, giving credity to a basis, look, see, i'm smart and that person is too. >> the wwe -- that crowd won. >> i agree with all of this. there is a bigger pick, we all gave him exactly what he wanted, we gave him millions and millions of dollars of free press. >> and eyeballs. ratings. >> exactly. and at every single one of the rallies that karine mentioned, he turned around, pointed at us, and said, they're the bad guys, and at no point in time in american history has the ...

What about a big state governor like andrew cuomo, or even vice president joe biden or someone else entirely? jimmy, who will emerge as the democratic party's next leader for 2020 and beyond? >> hell if i know. >> that's what the pollsters should have said. >> they got it wrong and i'm not going to get it wrong because i got it wrong about trump. i learned my lesson. i'm not so much wore bride wrie who we're going to put up in 2020. i look at 2018. i look at what the congress is doing. who are going to be the rising stars ming up in the congress. in maryland, jamie raskin is now elected to rep...