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The national chair of the college and in the beginning of this report, you talk about three sets of theories about what went wrong in the last election between republicans and young voters. those who think it was a technology problem in terms of how it was administered and those who think it's a branding problem and a substance policy problem. what camp are you in? >> our report and thanks for having us on. our report pauses that branding is the problem for the republican party in the past and something that we can fix going forward. >> here's why i disagree. i understand in some ways you are ...

Upheld. look, there's lots of reason for optimism. sometimes you win by losing, martin. the most important thing for the advocates of these measures is to realize they have won the hearts and hinminds of the amern people. that's the most important thing. secondly, look at the poll members of the senators, senators like senator ayotte, jeff flake and others, their numbers -- >> julian, i can help you with that. one of the things that may help manchin is the polling. 2/3 of voters tell gallup the senate should have passed the bill. whereas pat toomey is seeing sky-high poll numbers after his eff...

Is unconstitutional. we already have a background check, which is expanded. the republican party has a serious branding problem. and they see what the mistake they made with immigration. they see they were behind history in gay rights, they'll find themselves behind history on gun protection if they're not careful. >> and frank, you know, i think the filibuster is often sort of a parliamentary procedure that americans don't pay attention to. it's this cloak and dagger tool. >> that's what they're betting on. >> i think too time is different. in so far as the president is talking about it as a ...

Democrats as well, morality, value kind of politics. for the republicans it's about worried about spending and draconian cuts when really we should be trying to raise revenue through increasing taxes and we should be building our infrastructure. it's about them on social issues with respect to women, with respect to reproductive rights, with respect to marriage equality. there's a whole host of issues where they're just disconnected from the american people. this poll just simply reflects that. >> hogan, do you agree with that analysis? >> let's be clear. we can only be hypocrite cal which we ...

Party didn't get rich and become republican, they were already evangelical, already culturally conservative. they went over and joined the republican party because the republican party is willing to say we'll bring religion -- organized prayer back to public school. we'll outlaw abortion. we won't go along with this new trend towards gay rights. we're with you in the church. how do you tell those people the reason you joined the republican party they don't want to push too hard anymore, in fact, they want to sort of closet it? >> you can't really tell them that so they are not exactly saying t...