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Ship at the first sign of trouble? >> of course. i am the person who can beat donald trump is the drum beat he is hitting. when he goes into new hampshire, people know joe biden and love his wife dr. biden. they know he was the vp for beloved barack obama. to hand him the notion of the speeches at the breakfast events and if he doesn't hit the message hard, then voters could walk away from this lessen ev enthused. that is something where the biden team can step it up in terms of generating excitement through a positive vision for the nation. not just on the message i can beat trump. >> matt, s...

It is too early for 2020, but would democrats want eric holder to run? >> it's hard to see that. it is much bette for a person to be thinking about running than to take it off the table and have fewer reporters show up to their breakfast events in new hampshire. it looks like something he's using in order to push the agenda of redistributing and putting some issues on the table, but it's kind of hard to see how someone at 67 years old who doesn't have the kind of charismatic, kind of figure, to demand attention to make a big dent in that race. >> julia, how do you see it? >> yeah, i think it i...

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