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Circumstantial evidence and potentially see intent. but i think it's one of the reasons why the republicans are pointing out -- you know, they're calling it hearsay. i think what they're really getting to is that we're not yet seeing a lot of information about what the president was thinking and what the president was saying. >> and there's a reason -- i mean, john dean, there's a reason for that that we are not seeing that because we're talking about bolton, we're talking about mulvaney and the white house is not allowing it. >> apparently they don't want to appear. i think somebody like bolt...

Who talked directly to the president, can you ascertain intent? >> yeah, you can look at circumstantial evidence and potentially see intent. but i think it's one of the reasons why the republicans are pointing out -- you know, they're calling it hearsay. i think what they're really getting to is that we're not yet seeing a lot of information about what the president was thinking and what the president was saying. >> and there's a reason -- i mean, john dean, there's a reason for that that we are not seeing that because we're talking about bolton, we're talking about mulvaney and the white hous...

Suggesting a cyber security unit with putin, the reluctance to impose new sanctions on russia, the latest withdrawing troops from syria, does it seem as though the president is just continuing to validate this investigation? >> he certainly is. and let's not discount the tweets that he issued today, which really just looked like they were taken from putin's own play book, and that the kremlin scripted them. he continues to do everything that russia wants him to do. to spread the vision. the undermine the credibility of our institutions and remove u.s. influence from the global stage. while the...

Counterintelligence investigation into why he knowingly broke the rules on foreign outreach and set himself up as an exploitable asset of the kingdom of saudi arabia. these rules exist to preventative foreign government from knowing more than their own. when jared kushner texted mohammed bin salman, for example, a saudi official has more information than the u.s. government. that's a bribery point but jared kushner also big footed the policy process i hope was under way after khashoggi's murder and signaled to mbs and other members that his strategy is probably the best way to get their desire...

Said, they know something that the u.s. government doesn't. that's a bribery point and a counter intelligence target for the saudis. >> how potentially dangerous is it that jared kushner sent signals to mbs and the white house essentially had his back even before knowing all of the facts, susan? >> to sam's point, it is dangerous because it is compromising. we haven't seen jared kushner skirt the protocols out of convenience, but taking steps to attempt to hide his communications from the u.s. government using encrypted messaging apps by the "new york times." in previous occasions as well. whe...